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It would be best for you to keep a distance from shaved renunciants. Never mind if you are men or women, because you don’t know if they are men or women. When I went to the United States for the first time, […] I could only bring a nun to go with me. At that time, we were neatly shaved nuns, exactly like her. Like that one. Then, we went to a temple, an Aulacese (Vietnamese) temple. […] The abbot asked the nun accompanying me, “Are you male or female?” Even a monk couldn’t distinguish the gender of their own kind of monks.
